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Submitted by Admin on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:22pm. Living The HOA Way

By Brian Dennert | Ventura County Star

Ventura County Star reporter Anna Bakalis has a fascinating story about a Homeowners Association ( HOA ) in Simi Valley that is set on banning playing outside, bike riding, complaining to vocally about the board, and more. It would be funny if it wasn't really happening. You have to read the story.

Have you ever lived in a HOA ? I lived in one that was exceptionally well run. If you are looking to buy a condo in Simi Valley I highly recommend Coventry Court.

But what most of us remember is the problems with HOA's. It strikes me as odd that an area that prides itself on minimal government keeps building more and more mini-governments.

I understand that they can protect property values but is the trade off worth it? It reminds me of this quote from Ben Franklin:

"Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty."

I am going to share some funny stories about HOA's and then it is your turn. What has been your experience with HOA's? Do the many benefits outweigh the potential problems? Do we only remember when they go awry?

Here are some fond memories:

1. Our flag pole was too tall. We took it down.

2. No parking in your own driveway. But parking on the street totally fine, even though it was a bit dangerous as it was a corner people came around quickly.

3. Board members are not required to abide by the same rules as everyone else.

Do you have some crazy stories? Feel free to include or omit the name of the HOA.

Can you see how any of their actions in the story are justified or explainable?

Source

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I just called my Realtor and

Submitted by tgimacb (not verified) on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 12:41pm.

I just called my Realtor and jokingly but seriously "let her know I was mad at her" for selling us our home.
Her In Laws live in the subdivision and are at wits end, nagged and aggravated with the HOA.
I have a nazi-neighbor bent on making us pay for enjoying ourselves while he and his wife suffer marital problems. (the same couple who dined in our home, camped over a long weekend, watched our kids)
My realtor says it is the BEST THING to be a part of.
She, however, lives privately on her 6-acre homestead outside of a HOA *

- Board members get defensive when they too, get their notices
- Removal of a "dead, diseased, dying tree" means TOTAL removal, meaning for one homeowner - to the twigs and stump, in their backyard out of sight, BUT to another homeowner - stacks of 8' logs for "firewood" are not enforced

This small militant group refers to 'violators' like you would normally refer a child molestor. One appointee went on the offensive to the point of challenges to a person's mental and moral attributes!

The letter of the CC&Rs are unyielding toward those who have questioned the motives for enforcement.
Several (more than 4 homeowners) are in litigation for various sundry 'offenses'

I can honestly say that neither side are happy about things. It's like Black and White; Dems and Repubs; lines drawn

In an economy hurt by home sales and corresponding property values, its surreal that these 3 individuals are the "Enforcer" squad as homes foreclose and sale prices, if sold at all, are 40% less than purchase price.

Homes are for sale by families just wanting to be left alone. Those same families that don't have sofas on the porch or knee high grass. Wonderful families with noisy kids who would like to see banners across the front gate announcing Graduations and can't in this fiefdom.

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Well, I hate HOA's. I

Submitted by J White (not verified) on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 9:42am.

Well, I hate HOA's. I bought a home in the Fox Glen Development in Pickerington, Ohio that Dominion Homes and MI Homes are part of. They established an HOA with PSAM which is now runned by OMNI. I needed to move out of state for work and left my home with a caretaker, due to the housing market. I have been emailing and calling the HOA for over a year for a bill and received no reply until last week when they stated that they put a small claims court complaint in for non-payment. I asked why the heck haven't they sent a bill. She stated that the bill is addressed to current resident so it would not be forwarded to me. I am soooooooo aggravated with them, now I have late fees and court fees. They are worse than the Mafia. They charge what they want don't even bill you and then they have the right to sue you.
I will never buy a home in an area that has an HOA again!!!!

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why do developers put hoa's

Submitted by Anonymous1234 (not verified) on Wed, 07/23/2008 - 8:11am.

why do developers put hoa's in place in the first place if no one wants them, people don't read the rules before they move in, and those people who want them,, and volunteer to try and run them (and aren't prfessionals) get attacked?

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HOAs are allowed to happen

Submitted by fern (not verified) on Fri, 08/01/2008 - 5:35am.

HOAs are allowed to happen because the owners pay for the streets and other amenites that the county usually pays for so when you pay taxes and HOA dues you are paying for services twice...for instance if you lived in a regular neighborhood yor streets, sewers, pools and lights etc. are maintained by the county but you pay again with the HOA fees without getting the services from the county. Your HOA does those for you and charges you again!!! So counties like HOAs it takes financial burden off them.

Sure you read the rules but it depends on interpretaion of the board on how they are enforced. If you read contractors must keep mud off the road - it may mean only professional contractors not owner/builders.. The covenants are so full of legalese that you would need a lawyer to interpret them. You assume the covenants are to protect you but really the are to protect the board.

Try and find a normal home these days with the square footage,view and custom like features and most likely it will be in an HOA.

These days probably 4 out of 5 homes sold are in HOAs most people never have a problem but when you do you find that unless you sue or get mediation you have basically signed away your constitutional rights. The HOA can do and asses you whatever they want. They can bully and intimidate you if you get on thier "bad" side, AND fine you if you don't pay and in some cases even foreclose on you.

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Ths writter "highly

Submitted by AnonymousHOA (not verified) on Tue, 02/24/2009 - 12:08pm.

Ths writter "highly recommends Coventry Court" in Simi Valley. I could NOT DISAGREE MORE!

Couventry Court is run by a very 'old-school, power-hungry' board who want everyone to live like they do. They mix their religion with the HOA meetings and have gone so far as to want to set rules for how clean your garage has to be. They complain and issue warnings and citations for everything from the kind of car, motorcycle, dog walking/barking, noise (reasonable noise here), pool and kids playing.

The HOA president and his wife are the most intolerant and rude people you have ever met. The wife must think she's the community guard dog in going on the attack everytime anyone misparks or missteps or even speaks too loudly.

She alone has created a very unfriendly environment. Unnieghborly doesn't even begin to describe Coventry Court.

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I can top all of these

Submitted by Chadillac's nemesis (not verified) on Sun, 03/01/2009 - 11:56am.

I can top all of these stories:

A group of us are suing the developer as he calls his organization a HOA, but,he has told us we aren't members, doesn't hold meetings, we have no votes, there is no budget, he attempts to enforce his own petty rules, etc. Here's the kicker: This guy has got the stones to send out a letter in his 2009 budget and claim that since we are suing the HOA (Remember, there is only one member: HIM!) and his CCR's state that any legal fees paid by the HOA will be paid by the members, that we have to pay his legal fees! Are you confused, Yet? yeah, us too.

It doesn't matter; we go to trial in a couple of months, everyone ignores the little man, and really it doesn't amount to much as no one takes this guy seriously.

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Must be in the HOA loser

Submitted by They are legendary (not verified) on Sun, 03/01/2009 - 9:38pm.

Must be in the HOA loser 'director' handbook.

RE: [...The HOA president and his wife are the most intolerant and rude people you have ever met. The wife must think she's the community guard dog in going on the attack everytime anyone misparks or missteps or even speaks too loudly...]

The HOA Prez and the woman who wears the pants for him in this lil ole HOA encumbered "community" (aka commune/communism)acts the exact way. People are held hostage. They are terrorists. Somewhere in their latest CC&Rs, R&Rs are the following: Do as I SAY not as I do; We will pervert justice; we and our commie coward loser sad group alone will do all the complaining; we do not have to display integrity, honesty and impartiality.

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Quail Hollow Condominiums

Submitted by Aggreived (not verified) on Fri, 03/06/2009 - 12:52pm.

Quail Hollow Condominiums located off East Livingston Avenue (Sawgrass Drive, Springdale Drive and Lake Meadow Drive are the street names within the complex) in Reynoldsburg, Ohio 43068 are the worst of all. Buckeye Management Company manages the dump . . . er, I mean site. The condo board and management company refuse service to persons they do not like. I could give you numerous examples but, of course, the board and management company would recognize the complaints and harrass certain residents even more. AVOID THIS DUMP!!!

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This above post is by a

Submitted by Anonymous2 (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 7:44pm.

This above post is by a psycho who has been a pain in the back in the condo complex for years...this is actually a very nice place...surrounded on 2 sides by city parkland...and across the street from two municipal golf courses and a 50 acre metro park, and the complex has it's own private park with a 1/2 pond...ignore the jerk who posted, 59 of the 60 owners are happy here...1 of 59 would not be happy anywhere on the planet.

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...1/2 acre pond, that is

Submitted by Anonymous2 (not verified) on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 7:46pm.

...1/2 acre pond, that is

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"59 of the 60 owners are

Submitted by MathMajor (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:46am.

"59 of the 60 owners are happy here...1 of 59 would not be happy anywhere on the planet" . . . HUH??? How many owners are there? And how many are happy and unhappy? From your post, you sound a lot like an unhappy owner, so that's at least two unhappy owners--Aggreived and Anonymous2.

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I notice Anonymous2's

Submitted by Aggrieved (not verified) on Thu, 04/02/2009 - 7:32am.

I notice Anonymous2's condominium is on the market once again after being on the market (unsuccessfully) nine months in 2008. Along with having to live in Quail Hollow, maybe that's another reason why she is so very, very unhappy.

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If that is so, why did you

Submitted by Perplexed (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 7:44am.

If that is so, why did you try so desperately to sell your condominium and why did you fail to sell it?

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As you can plainly see from

Submitted by Aggreived (not verified) on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 9:45am.

As you can plainly see from Anonymous2's comments, harassment is rampant at Quail Hollow but I agree with Ben Franklin, those who trade liberty for security deserve neither.

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Aggreived wrote:Quail Hollow

Submitted by Innocent (not verified) on Thu, 03/19/2009 - 7:44am.

Aggreived wrote:

I could not agree more. I am a single black female who lived in Quail Hollow Condos in Reynoldsburg, Ohio for a few months several years ago. Before I moved in, I was told the neighborhood was friendly and very pet friendly, however, during the short time I lived there, I was fined numerous times by the condo assoc. for failing to clean up after my dog. I can't decide if the most outrageous part of the scenario was that I did pick up my dog's poop or that even before I moved in I saw dog poop all over the yards while I seemeed to be the only one being fined for non-compliance. I received no resolution by discussing it with the condo board and moved out shortly afterward and am still left wandering how I could have resolved the matter. Was I expected to pick up all the residents' dog poop?

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Innocent wrote:Aggreived

Submitted by Karma Bites (not verified) on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 1:07pm.

Innocent wrote:

Aggreived wrote:

For Whom The Bell Tolls Wrote: One of the many ironies in the situation is that a former condo board president (who now has his condo up for sale) owns a motorcycle that he sits on in his driveway and revs the motor endlessly. Meanwhile, the advertisement for his condo reads "Condominium for sale in the quiet community of Quail Hollow."

No kidding. The dude who was condo board president and used to rev his motorcycle for hours and hours also had two large dogs which I think tore up his house pretty bad. He used to leave the dog shizz all over the grass outside my house.

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Aggreived wrote:Quail Hollow

Submitted by Fahrenheit 451 (not verified) on Mon, 03/30/2009 - 12:12pm.

Aggreived wrote:

Quail Hollow Condominiums, Reynoldsburg, Ohio 43068------I considered purchasing a condo in Quail Hollow (Reynoldsburg, Ohio) but did not because of several problems I saw when viewing several of the units that were for sale at the time. I believe there were six units that I viewed inside and out and all of them were in poor condition. My realtor described them as being “used hard.” I found that not only were the units small and cramped with a tiny, galley style kitchenette, there was visible water leakage and damage inside and outside many of the homes. There were many places on the outside of the buildings where the wood had rotted exposing structural beams to weather damage. Many of the units had patios that were overgrown with weeds and untended shrubbery. There is also a large patch of overgrown weeds and shrubbery in the rear of the complex. Can you imagine the number and various types of insects this invites?

There is a firewall between every OTHER unit (not every unit) and once a person is in the attic of a building he or she can access any other residence in that building from trap doors located in the attic floor that lead into each unit. Of course, fire can easily spread between the two units that are linked without a firewall. I could plainly hear tvs/radios playing in neighboring units. There were pieces of trash, cigarette butts and dog poop covering the grass. I also found it alarming that six of the 60 total units in the area (or 10 percent) were for sale at the time I viewed them.

My realtor gave me the condo association’s newsletter and it stated the association wanted approval to build tool sheds on the property which seemed unwise to me considering the number and severity of problems that already exist at the complex that if addressed would have added more value to the properties than tool sheds would have added. The newsletter stated that locked mailboxes were requested by several residents but there were not enough funds in the association’s coffer to do so. My realtor also told me of numerous parking problems where residents routinely park in guest parking spaces or parking spaces that are assigned to other residents. I was told there is one resident who parks their second car in the driveway of a property that is in foreclosure. Also, the garage door failed to open on two of the units I viewed.

I did notice that Quail Hollow (Reynoldsburg, Ohio) has a city park to one side and a metro park across the street. There is also a golf course across the street but I saw no “private park with a pond.” There is small amount of grass that as I said before is littered with trash, dog manure and cigarette butts leading to a small, dirty pool of water but there is a sign beside the water stating no fishing or swimming is allowed in it. After looking at the water and the grass leading to it, the last thought on my mind was to swim in the “pond” or fish from it.

I would advise anyone thinking of purchasing ANY condominium to review everything thoroughly and have an inspector thoroughly inspect the inside and OUTSIDE of the property. Obtain receipts for all work performed inside and outside of the condo. My realtor said many residents use their relatives to do repair work because they do not have enough money to hire trained professionals to repair their units. Obtain police reports for ALL addresses within a complex. When I did this, I found that several neighbors on Sawgrass Drive reported vandalism and thefts in the area.

Also, review complaints from all unit owners to the condo board to determine the time it takes from the date of the complaint to the date of the repair or if repairs are denied or complaints appear to have been ignored or not resolved. And remember the condo fee is paid on a monthly basis. So for the $150 to $300 you spend monthly in HOA assessments, you could own a single family home whose walls do not abut with a noisy neighbor and use the $150 to $300 to repair your own roof, mow your own lawn, etc. and know that those repairs are done correctly and in a timely manner. Also, for every $100 you pay in condo fees, you could have added $15,000 to your personal purchasing power. For example, if you purchased a condo for $100,000 with a $100 per month condo fee, you could have purchased a single family home worth $115,000 WITHOUT a monthly condo fee.

If you want to be near Huber Park and Blacklick Woods Metro Park and golf course, I would recommend purchasing one of the single family Huber homes that are also across the street from the park and golf course. Once you compare the two, I am sure you will conclude freedom from an HOA is best.

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Aggreived wrote:Quail Hollow

Submitted by Amazed but Not Amused (not verified) on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 6:12am.

Aggreived wrote:

A new management company CONDO Management of Columbus (Ohio) was recently named by the condo association to take over in place of Buckeye Management. While I am hopeful that this will be a major improvement to the community, I remain skeptical since the residents and condo association have the same gang mentality as always. As with Aggreived whom I quoted, because I fear retribution I cannot be more specific about the gang activity other than to say it is prevalent and dangerous. I will keep you updated as much as I am able.

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Amazed but Not Amused

Submitted by Waiting (not verified) on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 7:06am.

Amazed but Not Amused wrote:

Aggreived wrote:

I have lived here a long time and can verify that there has always been a gang mentality to this condo board. It makes me sad and angry. The board has always said their actions are done to keep up property values but that fails to explain why certain residents get away with not following their own rules. Past board members who are as old as I am stay home all day drinking and then go outside screaming and threatening to blow up Quail Hollow. Some people are cited for keeping their garage doors open too long because that is deemed unsightly while others are allowed to display outside Christmas decorations throughout the entire year. The rules are just not applied fairly. Vandalism and theft is widespread and it is not safe to walk outside. I am waiting until the economy recovers before I put my condo on the market. There are too many condos on the market in Quail Hollow right now. Then I will move in with my kids which I should have done years ago before I bought this condo.

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Waiting wrote:Amazed but Not

Submitted by For Whom the Bell Tolls (not verified) on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 9:04am.

Waiting wrote:

Amazed but Not Amused wrote:

Aggreived wrote:

One of the many ironies in the situation is that a former condo board president (who now has his condo up for sale) owns a motorcycle that he sits on in his driveway and revs the motor endlessly. Meanwhile, the advertisement for his condo reads "Condominium for sale in the quiet community of Quail Hollow."

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Well, it's 8:00 a.m. on a

Submitted by Just trying to sleep (not verified) on Tue, 05/05/2009 - 8:52am.

Well, it's 8:00 a.m. on a Tuesday morning here at Quail Hollow and the landscapers just arrived with their numerous riding lawn mowers, weed wackers and leaf blowers. Is 8:00 a.m. really the best time to do yard work?

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I find this comical. There

Submitted by My 2c worth (not verified) on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 1:46am.

I find this comical.
There IS no parking in your driveway at Coventry Court because there ARE NO DRIVEWAYS at Coventry Court. Share the good 'shrooms would ya?
The City (Simi Valley) designated the 'alleys' a fire zone. So go whine to the City.
You can park in your garage if it's not filled top to bottom with crap. (Isn't that what garages are for?)

I am all for this new board. The old one (president) had his garage filled full of surfboards, photography business, etc. So he would park his 2, 3, sometimes 4 vehicles outside, taking up a disproportional amout of the limited (58 or so spots) available for a total of 85 units. Come on Ex Prez, share a little. No longer do I or the multitude of other homeowners need to rush home before 5 in order to try to find a parking space.

Our previous board(s) - 7 years back - Didn't have earthquake insurance; hows that for a incompetent board/management company. I for one am glad the new board has their act together. At least I feel my dues are going to something worthy.

And yeah, I don't like seeing dog crap in the common area, call me crazy! I say fine the lazy asses who let their dogs sheetz all over the place.

Ok, so yeah, the current prez has a little gray, but the rest of the board is of 35-50 age. The previous prez was just as old and always 'loopy' like he never cared about anything, exhausted, on medication for some motorcycle accident, etc. At least the current prez seems to care enough to enforce the rules we have, and open to changing them. Keep in mind a properly run hoa board can't "just make changes to the CC&R's".

Here is how sad a state the homeowners were. When the previous board/mgt company let our incorporation license expire, it took multiple times to get the homeowners to vote on "getting a new name". Hello!@$$%@ Fellow homeowners, get INVOLVED !

Sorry for the rant. I guess I'm just bewhildered when we finally get a good board, who appear to be open to changing anything that a majority of the homeowners want and will vote for, and yet there are still whining.

This place even lets renters come to the meetings (if just to be informed). Maybe I drank the punch, but this new board (3 or so years now) seems to have their act together and the homeowners best interest in mind.

-Stepping down off the soapbox.

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Mr Rant...no one mentioned

Submitted by COnja (not verified) on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 4:41pm.

Mr Rant...no one mentioned dog poop...why go there?

This HOA and security company are aligned. They "pick on" a select few and drive them crazy.

This is anything BUT a community. It's a horrible mamby-pamby police-state. So much for being able to enjoy your life there....doesn't exist folks, it just doesn't.

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Then I recommend you join

Submitted by My 2c worth (not verified) on Tue, 03/10/2009 - 10:36pm.

Then I recommend you join the board and try to make all 85 homeowners happy at the same time. Lets see, I think 3 people submitted their names last year to be on the board. 3 out of 85 units. Are you sad because you didn't read the CC&R's before you moved in? Or is it because you didn't read the rules & regulations? I've spoken to the board members on multiple occasions and they are ALWAYS up for making changes within their own limits, if a majority of the homeowners feel it would make the association more livable, change a particular rule that seems unpopular. But here again that would require INVOLVEMENT on others behalf, and why it's so much easier to just complain. I went off on a tangent with the dog poop issue because it's one of the rules, and I bet a majority of the 85 homeowners would rather their not be poop in the common area grass. Hope I've connected the dots.

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When the "Kings and the

Submitted by AnonymousWhatEVER (not verified) on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 3:42pm.

When the "Kings and the Queens" of the HOA "DIRECTORATES" erm... Petty DICTATORSHIPs see the economy goe to "sheetz" THEY will have no one to "ENFORCE" against on the abandoned properties! HAHAHAHHAHAHA! I wish I felt some pity... NOT! Maybe they'll starve to death on their beautifully USELESS GLOWING GREEN LAWNS! I'm PLANTING FOOD instead! HA!

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What no one seems to want to

Submitted by Forsieth (not verified) on Wed, 04/22/2009 - 6:17pm.

What no one seems to want to mention here or just does not know (the board does as they have been told to fix it) , is that according to the City of Simi Valley, the parking at coventry court is not under the control of the HOA, but must conform to city codes, which according to the city are currently being violated by the "one permit per unit policy". Anyone wanting to check this should call the city.

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Furthermore, for anyone

Submitted by Forsieth (not verified) on Thu, 04/23/2009 - 8:49pm.

Furthermore, for anyone interested, the City of Simi Valley (code enforcement div.) has the position as follows concerning Coventry Court and is trying to enforce by court action if necessary: of all the available parking spaces available, 17 may be marked as visitor only, ALL others are to be available for both residents or visitors on a first come basis. Anyone had there car towed? Asked them under what legal authority this was done. It's funny, the published "rules" state all governing city regulations regarding private streets are to apply, yet they don't want to follow city regulations. This complex was originally permitted and built only after the promise to comply with certain criteria. Regarding parking this was done until about April of 2008, when the powercrazy nut cases heading this board decided they no longer had to comply with City regulations and could push there parking issues off onto the surrounding neighborhoods. You would think that they would be smart enough to know their current "policy" has a big problem when at any time you can go to this complex and see that half or more of the parking spaces are not even being occupied, while residents and visitors comb the adjacent single family neighborhood looking for the closest parking place where they don't even live. I guess they think (this destainable board) that this is ok. Think I'm wrong?-- call the city Code Enforcement Div.

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I live in Haaf Farms in

Submitted by Lois Wallace (not verified) on Sat, 05/23/2009 - 4:05pm.

I live in Haaf Farms in Pickerington. We have PSAM as the professional management. They have ripped us off for thousands of dollars for the last 5 years. Until recently, the builder were in control of PSAM. Now, we owners have taken over the association, but the new officers have listened to PSAM about how to run things, never gave them any instructions on how to transfer responsibility and kept the new officers dumb and dependant. So of course, the new guys were in over their heads and PSAM was appointed by them as the continuing watchdog. They are double billing the members for administrative costs, keeping the money without doing any work and threaten to take the homes away if we don't anty up. Our officers just fall over and say, "Where and how often? They don't know that they are primarily responsible for the monies paid to PSAM, no matter whether they sub it out to PSAM, or not. These officers had better be getting an audit of PSAM's book, soon. We don't even get notified of meetings.

Isn't this what the Mafia and Asian gangs do in areas? I call it a shake down, graft, corruption, etc. There are no state or federal laws governing the conduct of HOA's. That's how they get by with it. I lobbied our state reps to enact some, but they wouldn't even take a look.

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Please visit my website for

Submitted by Karen (not verified) on Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:44pm.

Please visit my website for my HOA story

arcata-myexperiences.com

click on part II

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Does anyone know of a good

Submitted by Tired of my HOA (not verified) on Fri, 02/05/2010 - 3:55pm.

Does anyone know of a good attorney who does work in the field of suing HOA's for violating the deed restrictions? My deed restrictions say that they must give 72 hours notice before going on property to correct deed restrictions and they are not doing that. HELP!
Tired

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