HOA Nut House

whatup, although i am not chuck i have a suggestion, foot high weeds on a vacant home or a bank owned homes lot/yard can be easily remedied in the same manner. GET A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS TOGETHER AND PULL THE WEEDS. then pool your money or ask for a charitable donation with which you purchase weedkiller with, use this newly purchased item and spray yard accordingly. Problem solved. No need for excessive fee amounts or issuing of non compliance tickets. And a nice side effect is maybe the house will sell faster now that the yard is nicer and the front door isnt covered in warnings notices and threats issued by the hoa. This could benefit you as well seeing as the more the foreclosed homes sell for the more your property is worth. Its a win win.

WhatUp, I'm getting a little vaklempt. I can't believe you don't see that CAI has become a very boring, eye-crossingly dull organization that is in no position to effectively deal with the almost impossible solvency issues facing HOAs today.

CAI's monthly publication "Common Ground" reads like a glossy church bulletin. Have you taken a look at it recently? It's all so preachy, all so corn country. Say what you want about the construction defect attorneys, but at least they were not dull, and had some of the best rainmaking strategies going. One afternoon seminar with them and garbage disposal do's and don'ts just isn't going to cut it anymore.

More importantly, why should homeowners have to come up with solutions, clean up a mess that CAI and Central Planning made and have profited from all these years? All but the most aggressively ignorant never opted, by choice, for this collectivist housing scheme in the first place.

As I mentioned in a previous post, it's not just about the homeowners anymore and my sense is that there is a great deal of exhaustion and frustration at the end of your day. Seriously, have you thought about quitting, doing something fun before things go Tango Uniform. Like most managers I know, your 401k is toast; so, before you allow yourself to raise, however discreetly, an eyebrow of reproach why not think it over, it's not too late.

The increasing tensions and hostilities in these communities aside, is another day caught up in the grind, fussing with the minutiae of day-to-day management worth it? Why not at least think about it? I'm sure others in the office with a pulse have mentioned it.

In the meantime, I hope that Chuck continues to do things his way, thinks for himself and doesn't cave in to all this consensus building, "middle ground" group think you've been promoting. I know you're angry and frustrated, but why not share management's perspective of the Stockholm syndrome and the HOA problematic instead of all this preaching and scolding that's been going on around here lately?

In closing, we live in times of lies and great deception. If you don't believe me, just checkout the CAI board president that got so confused, so excited he thought he was an attorney!

Loveable Lenny

Sorry, but I am not affiliated with CAI.

Fun? It sounds like I am having way more fun than you guys.

Wow, Tango Uniform. Are you a pilot? I am. What type of plane do you fly?

Sorry to here about your 401(k) but my investments are fine. I could easily retire today but choose not to.

By the way, Chuck can't even answer a simple question that faces HOA's on a daily basis. I wouldn't build my ground swell around him.

I'm not preaching. Seems you guys need a plan but no one seems to have a clue how to put one together. You are good at bashing, though. And personally attacking anyone with an opposing viewpoint.

I actually only visited this site to determine what unhappy HOA members were suggesting to address HOA concerns. Unfortunately, no one is offering anything in the way of suggestions. It would have been nice to pose those suggestions to HOA boards and management companies.

Since nothing is forthcoming, I bid you adieu.

tisk tisk. Now I feel the majority of my posts have presented solutions to the problems. Please look up all my postings they will all be under the divadelamort moniker. i have suggested quite a few solutions. None involved pill taking but i am not opposed to that course of action either. If you are unable to find my posts please let me know, i will be glad to either link you or repost them here on this thread. I eagerly await your response.

What exactly is your point? It is hard to discern your ramblings.

Aren't you the guy who is famous for responding "Take a pill bitch" when confronted? Maybe you should take more than a toothpick with you to your next gunfight. Although, you don't seem to show up at all.

See this is why we need national health care. Chuck and many others like him are clearly insufficiently medicated. Probably the reason he resorts to the "take a pill" argument so often, it's just his way of crying out for help. Here's hoping he gets it.

what amuses me is it almost as if chuck is making hoa board members and and the various title hungry cronies of community gestapos a taste of their own "medicine" now you know how homeowners feel when they are repeatedly given the same answers to their questions. How we feel when we get blanket responses and no action or help on various subjects.

HOAs are not there to "help" or answer your questions. HOAs are there to take your money, give you orders, and bully everyone not in their cliques. When will people learn that HOAs are social engineering with the worst possible dregs of society as their "leaders" and D & O's. Dissolve HOAs and throw the bums out!

"incapable of posting any substantive message devoid of the derision and rudeness"

This is from the guy who over and over again replied with "take a pill bitch".

Why not reply to the topic about weeds posted by "WhatUp" that spawned all your "take a pill bitch" comments. Maybe than you could show that you have actually thought through some of the issues facing HOA's instead of just complaining about them. I am on a board for an hoa and have been for years. We start board meetings with an open homeowner comment period. I preface that with the statement that if you would like to complain about something, please also provide a suggested solution. That way it proves that you actually thought about the problem. Anyone can lob grenades from the crowd. That is childish. People that volunteer for boards are not there to solve the homeowners problems. They are there to work with the homeowners, in the best interests of the homeowners, to come up with a solution.

Why not "Ask the Experts?"

When I have a question or query, I just call CAI Central in Alexandria, VA.

Be sure to ask for Tom or Frank.

Make the call:
Phone: (703) 548-8600 (M-F, 9-6:30 ET)
Toll-Free: (888) 224-4321 (M-F, 9-6:30 ET)

Lovable Lenny

So am I to assume you are incapable of answering the question?

The point still is that you bashers will not address the issues. I know the HOA's industry's response. Apparently you (as a group) may have a different opinion. That is what I am looking to hear. You can't get anywhere just complaining about it like a bunch of little kids trying to hide behind "big words" and prehistoric anologies.

I am not a member or affiliated with CAI.

Anonymous842, who, if I recall correctly, claims to be an attorney working with other attorneys who represent HOAs, wrote:

I am not a member or affiliated with CAI.

Hmmmmmmmm......

How interesting.

Why not, since you appear to have all of the, um, qualifications?

Hmmmmmm?

That's correct.

I do not have to be a member of CAI to work in this industry.

By the way, they are not the only association for the HOA industry.

Anonymous842 wrote that CAI is "not the only association for the HOA industry."

Very interesting.

CAI gets a lot of print here, for reasons that are self evident.

What do you think of CAI Anonymous842? Are there reasons why you decided not to join?

What other trade associations do you belong to, and how can we compare their positions to those of CAI?

Haven't even looked into CAI.

Really, you would like me to tell you other HOA industry associations? You can look them up on the web for your self. Why would I start another feeding frenzy for your crew of bashers (and believe me, that is all you are since not one of you can seem to come up with any advice that the HOA indstry can use to better serve the homeowners of HOA's).

Well, here I was hoping that you might identify an alternative to CAI with better ideas.

As pervasive as CAI is in the "industry," and with all the information on this site about CAI, you -- claiming to be a member of the industry -- haven't even "looked into CAI?"

Right.

It's too bad, because if there is a trade association out there with a different philosophy than CAI's, that association might get a friendly reception here.

But since you are the only one who knows what that competing philosophy might be -- and since you won't even identify your "CAI alternative" trade association -- this suggests that you are (at best) a member of some "CAI clone" outfit.

CAI isn't as big a player in my location. Do a web search with state names that have a large contingency of HOA's. I am sure you will find other trade associations for the HOA industry. Maybe even the one I belong to.

Good news. I did a search just as you instructed and it came up right away. You're wit da the American Beef Packers Association.

Right?

Lovable Lenny

Motorcyclesanta, you are so correct in your assessment of HOAs, we could'nt agree with you more! Dissolve HOAs and the "people" who run them!!